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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

better player than Jerry by far?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

yup - i'll stand by it too - has the feel, the emotion, and better technique without the buzz factor - and please dont let that make anyone think i dont LOVE jerry. jerry was fulll of mistakes and simple runs but full of emotion - kimock has taken that emotion and brought it to a whole new technical level in the jam scene

give him a listen if you haven't

then again - this is just one man's opinion

jerry was flawed guitarist - very good - but flawed on some levels - too simplified at times - but kept things very melodic in a simplistic manner - but man, he sounded great and was a superior innovator in the scene

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2007-06-20 01:39:37

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

If anyone would give this San Francisco jam band a listen I am sure you'd dig it. If not I'll reimburse you for your time with a disc of your choice. http://www.archive.org/details/mermen2007-04-20.flac16

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Poster: Ellis Van Sofa Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

I'll second the vote for the Mermen.
Here's a show I was at in BRC...

http://www.archive.org/details/mermen2005-09-02.flac16

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:36pm
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Lucky you...I've listened to that show alot...sure wish they'd take a trip to Kansas....if I hit the lottery...

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Poster: Ellis Van Sofa Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

I've been good friends with their drummer Martyn (or Uncle Pappy as we used to call him) since the late 80's. they were great back then but much more of a surf band. now they are just completely mindblowing.

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Jun 20, 2007 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

Late to the thread, but...

I'll give a third thumbs up to the Mermen.
GREAT band--I've seen them a number of times over the last 12 years or so. Just fantastic.

I'm listening to Albatross from that 4/20/07--WOW!--thanks for the link. Jim Thomas does the great Peter Green proud.

Also--Steve Brown's recordings are top shelf. Usually on-stage mikes--audience recordings that sound like boards.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 20, 2007 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

a question for you Sactown:

since i know nothing about Mermen - do they have lyrics?? only reason i ask is the onstage mics generally don't pick up vocals very well at all, but are phenomenal with the instruments.

just curious since if i am going to check out the band, i'll take your suggestion and look for that guy's OS recordings

thanks

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 20, 2007 10:51am
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Sorry for butting in but...they are an instumental group and the recordings are excellent....please please give them a listen.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 20, 2007 10:53am
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no apology necessary at all!!! that is exactly what i needed to know :)

i am definitely going to give them a listen - especially since they have on-stage recordings here (love those recordings from Kimock and Garaj Mahal)

thanks mickmac!

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Poster: SactownTom Date: Jun 20, 2007 2:13pm
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Dire--
I've been away from my desk and just now got your post--as Mick says, no vocals, just unbelievable instrumental jams. Check 'em out--the sooner the better!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 20, 2007 3:34pm
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thanks man - i am so going to do that

much obliged to the two of you

:)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jam Bands...where do you stand?

i have heard them mentioned so many times, but never heard them - i bookmarked the show (can't dl tonite) but will give them a shot since so many people seem to give them a thumbs up


can you compare them to anything or tell me what they are like?

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:34pm
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Nobody is like them...the closest I can come is psychedelic surf!!!???

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:36pm
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Hey Mick...I haven't heard them yet either, can you post a link for a good one?

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:40pm
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hey cush...http://www.archive.org/details/mermen2007-04-20.flac16

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:48pm
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Thanks Mick...

;)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:38pm
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damn, don't know them either

ok - i'll check them out since someone else just ok'd them just moments ago too - lol

they seem to have a real good contingent here - seem to be well worth the effort - thanks for the link mickmac :)

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Poster: BryanE Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:48pm
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I'm lazy-the only Kimock I've ever heard was when he was with The Other Ones, and he put together some amazing solos, so my opinion of him is extremely limited. Still, we're going to have to agree to disagree that he was a better guitarist than Jerry Garcia.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:57pm
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k

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:33pm
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hey D., off topic, but was listening to the Jane's show from the 1st lollapolooza again tonite after not having listened in a good number of months, and just fantastic show, not a flaw in sight, and this is just a headsup to give it a listen, will satisfy you again and again; will catch up later, take care, T.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:41pm
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now that is just making me want to throw that in and make my cat hide for the nite :)

nothing.... nothing like Janes man :)

hope all is well my good friend!!!!


(COMIN' DOWN THE MOUNTIN!!!!!!!!!!)

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:38pm
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"flawed" is an interesting term...Garcia was sloppy and could be inconsistent...his strength and weakness was his "on-ness"...he was a very versatile player...he had alot of intangibles beyond technique...his live presence blows Kimock off the nearest stage...

Kimock is a great guitarist, it feels like he has assimilated alot of Jerry-isms, admittedly or not...precision is nice to have but Stevie Ray Vaughn was a much tighter guitarist than Jimi Hendrix, but most would put Hendrix ahead due to being the trailblazer and being able to channel and play with incredibled emotion and color, something that Garcia could do very well at times...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:06pm
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Hey Dire--have to agree, again, with Strat on this one...when one listens to what Garcia did in the 68 and 70 two year period, there really is no comparison. Now, admittedly, it's the band support, the lyrics, the scene, but no one else captures that--it is all so much sterile (though exceedingly competent--even above Garcia in some respects) noise, at some level, for the contenders.

Sounds harsh, but I really spent four decades attempting to compare and contrast lead players and feel relatively confident in that assessment. Though, of course, that's all it is: the assessment of one aging, broken down old DEAD HEAD.

Will say that lots of folks do support you in your judgement on Steve...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:14pm
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like i said my good friend - this is simply my own very humble opinion

and i do LOVE JERRY!!!! love him to death!!!!

please don't get me wrong - i wouldn't be here if i didn't

hope i'm not coming across wrong in this talk

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:18pm
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I got you 100% bro, and being able to talk about this here with friends like you is what makes me keep coming back. In trying to understand our likes and dislikes, what grabs us about newcomers band wise, and explaining that to others, helps us refine our love of the boys...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:37pm
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you know it man - peace and love my friend

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jun 19, 2007 7:26pm
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"broken down old DEAD HEAD."???

Watch how you're talking abut my friend, my friend!!!

;)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 19, 2007 6:49pm
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interesting analogy and i understand what you are saying. but in my opinion - at least from my wide listening of steve - i would hazard to say his "emotion and color" is very much on par with jerry's - i think you should give steve a bit of a listen and really "hear" what he is playing. and again - i am not trying to detract from jerry at all!!! i've been a head for over 20 years (granted less than many on this site) - i was just responding to your somewhat negative jam band post and adding a positive on a very emotional, colorful, talented, "roll-your-eyes-in-back-of-the-head" touching player. the man has done stuff that jerry would have been so proud of and that jerry never reached (again, imho)

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